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Ace-King and other losers

Antonio Esfandairi autographed copy of All InThe $10 SNG’s on PP are an addiction I continue to feed on a regular basis. I played in a couple of the tournaments late yesterday and finished one out of the money in both. I could probably have coasted into the money in at least one if I had listened to that small voice telling me to not gamble my seat on ‘Big Slick.’ Did I pay heed to this good advice? Hell no! I came to dance and what better cards than A-K to risk it all on? I have been quoting from T.J. Cloutier and Tom McEvoy’s “Championship No-Limit & Pot-limit Hold’em” book a lot recently and this post is no exception. They list the three hands that knock more people out of hold’em tournaments as: “A pair of Queens, a Pair of Jacks or Ace-King.” I knew that, I had just finished my tenth reading of the book and there I am going all-in with my Ac-Kc after the flop shows Ks-2c-7c. I have top pair with top kicker and a four flush. I’m last and the betting puts me all-in if I call. The little voice is telling me that T.J. would probably fold and not risk finishing out of the money. Of course, being the consume tournament expert that I am, I don’t even consider folding and shove it all-in. The turn is a blank and the river appears to help no one. I lose to a set of deuces and am out of the action and trying to deal with that empty, brainless feeling. The second tournament I am in the seat to the right of the button when I get pocket Queens. We are four handed with about equal stacks; I raise 4xBB, the button folds and both the small and big blind calls. The flop is Qc-7s-8h. The small blind bets, the big blind folds and I raise. The small blind goes all in and I call all-in. The turn is the 5s and the river is Kh. My trip Queens lose to the 6s-9s making the nine high straight and I am out of the tournament. I should have folded the A-K in the first tournament and waited for the money; but, I will probably play the pair of Queens in a similar situation no differently, win or lose. I have a very hard time laying down trips with no over cards, made straights or flush draws.

The point of all of this whining is getting knocked out of two tournaments with two hands that Tom and T.J. list as most likely to get you eliminated. Ironically, I am knocked out of both tournaments playing two of the hands listed and I can’t find much fault with my play, especially the second time with the Queens. During the final $10,000 championship event of the WSOP I was taking a break outside of Benny’s Bullpin when Antonio Esfandiari walked out after he was eliminated from the tournament when his A-K all-in lost. He was kind enough to autograph our copy of All In magazine. I totally agree with Antonio’s comment about A-K.

Comments

Prof--

I don't think you need to me to tell you this, but I'm going to anyway.

There is no way to play those hands differently from the point you pick up the story. Top pair with a four-flush and two cards to come? I'd be tripping over myself, even if the betting was big into me.

Top set, no flush on the board, and a very ragged straight? Somebody push in my chips for me, cause I'm too overjoyed to concentrate anymore.

Simply put, I don't care if you're on the bubble. You made the hand you were trying to make and there's no excuse to fold at that point.

I agree that many times we overvalue AK. But no amount of overvaluing on the part of part-time players is going to change the fact that AK is statistically a winning hand and should be valued high.

I guess what might be a little more telling in your examples is what happened pre-flop. That is, how in the world did a guy with 6-9 see that flop? For that matter, how did a pair of deuces see the flop?

If they called sizable raises (3x the BB), then there's nothing you can do. You lost to a loose player. You'll get his money some other day.

But if you let them into the pot without calling a raise of 3x the BB, then you're partially at fault.

The thing about AK is the it can very rarely be slowplayed effectively.

Then again, you know that better than I do.

Could not agree more Otis! Of course, fhipchip wrote this, not me :) But I'll usually fold/limp with Jacks and Quens early into the tournament and play them with agression in the mid/late stages. If I hit my set or their overcards to the board, great, otherwise I save my chips for Aces, Kings and Nut Draws early on
when the blind arn't munching away my chips.

Woops...sorry prof...

I forgot you guys collaborate like CJ and I.

Flipchip, the above comments are directed toward you.

Prof, I'm glad you agree with me. Make me feel smarter.

I can't see Tom or TJ criticizing your play, except just barely maybe the AK. "Draws are death." But even having said that, a four-flush with TP is impossible to get away from. Like Otis, I would have beat anyone into the pot.

Your set of Qs is another impossibility. TJ says, and I'm paraphrasing, there are great hands where you're just gonna lose your money and get broke. That's one of them. Can't do nothing about them.

I think the reason they're likely to eliminate you is their seductiveness to us players, and their inherent strength. You just can't put someone on a 6-9 or a set of 2s. It's dang near impossible. You can only fire at them HARD, but even then some guys you can't push off a set with a bulldozer.

All right then.